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Someone gave me a CH Auto-Champion Progressive Press. A bit dirty but seems to work just fine. It came with CH 38/357 Tung.
I did a little research on the CH website and only learned that very few parts are available for this model. I know nothing about CH presses and would love to learn more about this press. In respect to its quality, also wondering if I should keep & use it or farm it out for CH users, to generate funds for something else. Any expertise or insight is greatly appreciated. C H is still in business, apparently, as they have a web site: They list your press as a current product (????) but if yours is old they may have evolved a bit. The WebPage is dated 2002. Hey, if the press still works why not use it?
Have you a pistol cartridge that you load a lot of ammo for? Why not set it up for the C H press. You may have to contact them to figure out how to use it and to see if standard dies fit it. The first press I reloaded on was a C H nealry 50 years ago. It was a friend's press and I waited for 30 years to buy my first press. Is your Auto-Champ the one that CH4D now markets as the '444X Pistol Champ'?
If it is, then most of the main press pieces are still available.look under the 444 H-press parts section. As for the accessories (primer feeder, powder dispenser) I don't think they're available anymore. I've got an old C-H 3-station H-press that is identical to the 4 station except doesn't have the center front station. It's a very nice press and has been bulletproof (even if the main castings are aluminum instead of cast iron). Mine was old & neglected when I got it, but I've still done close to 10,000 rounds of assorted pistol ammo through it since I acquired it. It doesn't quite have the leverage to resize bottleneck rifle cartridges though.it's geared mainly towards pistol reloading. I was going to order a new slide & head to convert mine to a 4-station setup but realized that I wasn't real keen on going progressive with it so I didn't really need to mount my powder measure on the press through a charging die.
(I use it as a single-stage press.one action at a time except I can set all three dies up once and not have to swap em when switching steps. I dislike having to load primer tubes so I do my priming off of the press using a RCBS or Lee hand priming tool. I also charge the cases off the press since my measure is mounted on it's own stand.) It uses standard shellholders and 7/8'-14 dies so you should be able to do a caliber conversion using any brand dies. In reply to 'Fishteach', the C&H Auto Champ loader is no longer made. They still have a few parts for them however. The most delicate part of the entire machine is the primer collet. One has to be cautious of this part as it's made of brass and anything that goes wrong in this area will result in the destruction of the part.
The C&H Auto Champ Mark V-a is a four station in-line progressive reloader. I have one that is set up for.45ACP and it has loaded many, many, rounds of ammo over the years. I home-built a case collimator to relieve me of having to load the case tubes one case at a time. I think one could adapt one of Dillon's case collimators to work with the C&H by designing a suitable support mechanism. I have an owner's manual if you need to know anything about the press. It's a good press as long as all the parts are there.
If you decide you don't want to keep it, contact me. I may be interested in it. The C&H Auto-Champ MKV-a is NOT the same and any of the presses shown on the CH4D site. It is totally different in that it is an inline type loader instead of a 'merry go round' type like the old Star loader and the current Dillons. As far as I know, it was the only 'inline' loader. With this loader, all stations were right in front of you at all times. And just like any other progressive, all you have to do is put the bullet on top of the case at the third station.
It's uses 'standard' size dies such as the RCBS and others. When you ordered the presser, you had to specify the caliber just as with any other progressive. It is a very good machine although it does have a single bad drawback. If you try to go too fast with the machine, it will throw flakes of powder out of short cases like the 45ACP, 9MM, and 40 cal.
Taller cases like 38 spl, and 357mag are not a problem. The amount of powder thrown out is minimal however and probably not enough to effect accuracy.
I just slow down a bit and still I can load 400 rounds an hour with the home made case collimator that I have. The C&H Auto-Champ MKV-a is NOT the same and any of the presses shown on the CH4D site.
It is totally different in that it is an inline type loader instead of a 'merry go round' type like the old Star loader and the current Dillons. As far as I know, it was the only 'inline' loader. With this loader, all stations were right in front of you at all times. And just like any other progressive, all you have to do is put the bullet on top of the case at the third station. It's uses 'standard' size dies such as the RCBS and others. When you ordered the presser, you had to specify the caliber just as with any other progressive.
It is a very good machine although it does have a single bad drawback. If you try to go too fast with the machine, it will throw flakes of powder out of short cases like the 45ACP, 9MM, and 40 cal. Taller cases like 38 spl, and 357mag are not a problem. The amount of powder thrown out is minimal however and probably not enough to effect accuracy. I just slow down a bit and still I can load 400 rounds an hour with the home made case collimator that I have. Click to expand.There were quite a few 'inlines' built, RCBS, Ransom, Schell, Shockley, CH, all made inline progressives. The main problem with their exsitence was cost to build the things, and the inline advance system tended to be problematic.Primer feeds also tended to be problematic, and it was just plain easier to develop a rotary progressive than a linear, Aka the Star,the Pacifics, Dilllon, etc.
I understand that CH has a few parts for these things, and if you call them may be able to come up with what ya need, if anything. If you're interested in getting rid of it it, I'll trade you a Lee cast iron turret, primer feed and a set of Lee or Hornady dies in your choice of caliber. The Firearms Forum is on online community for all gun enthusiasts. Join us to discuss firearms of all kinds, gun accessories, legal issues and more. Membership is free and we welcome all types of shooters, whether you're a novice or a pro. Come for the info, stay and make some friends.
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Hi: I have 3 CH4D Auto Champion MK 5A inline progressive presses. These were and are a marvel of engineering in the progressive world of presses. The short throw limits their use to PISTOL calibers however. So Tall cases beyond the.44 Magnum are out of the question. Its use as a swaging press in NOT applicable as its intended use was as a high speed pistol reloading press with the use of standard dies. A good one, with all the rimmed and semi rimmed rails, and all the powder charge die inserts, with both large and small primer plunger dies and feeders is probably in the neighborhood of about $450 to $500 with one set of dies. Cases walk from left to right in a row, FL sized, Expanded and primed, filled with powder, seated and then taper crimped.
CH4D still makes dies for the AutoCHAMP especially the thru hole expander and powder charger. I have reloaded. 45ACP, 38 Special, 44 Magnum, 357 Magnum, 40 S&W and 9mm on my Autochamps. These machines are capable of producing one hole bullseye ammo as tested from my Ransom rest at 25 yards in a worthy pistol. I do have a set of instructions for the 5A which had many improvements over the 5. If I get around to it, I may be able to scan them on the scanner and make a PDF, but this weekend I am quite busy. Thank you for that wonderful amount of info!!
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I am trying to get one with a combination of many other items, but I have to make sure it is all worthwhile first before I step off into it. It is currently setup with dies for a.45acp and the gentleman who owned it apparently loaded on it the day before he died of a heart attack. His son said there are hundreds of extra parts and pieces and die sets everywhere.
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It would come with a LOT of other huge commercial reloading equipment, so I have to make sure I can get some things out of this that I can use if I can't use it all. I never used one, but had 3-4 friends that loaded on them for years before moving to a Dillon 550. The only issues I know about it that the primer systems on the original models could possibly set off a whole tube of primers. Users were very careful on the primer feed system. Later models had the primer tube modified to only have a few primers in the 'active' feed system where they could go off, and the main supply topped off the secondary stack each cycle. If you did manage to set of a primer, it could only set off a few, not a whole tube full. Apparently, even a few is quite a bit of excitement.
Basically, it was a good but a bit fiddly system. I was told that it required a good cleaning with a dedicated paintbrush every so often to avoid jamming the feed pawls. I am very close to telling you more than I know - maybe even past it. But this is from many years of casually discussing reloading with fellow IPSC shooters that are using many thousands of rounds per year. I have two of the Auto Champ Mk 5A's. The powder charging system is a bear as the bushings are hard to change and there is no way to shut off the powder.
I and several friends purchased the machines back in the mid 80's. We made Powder charge bars from Delrin and this helped to smooth them out a bit. I was loading 15 to 25 thousand 45 ACP rounds a year for IPSC.
A problem to consider is that CH no longer makes spare parts for them. I'm down to my last primer collet and when that goes, I'll probably buy a Dillon SDB in 45 ACP. They also get out of adjustment fairly easy you have to constantly tinker with them.
You have to keep the transfer bar clean. A can of canned air for computers works great. One of my 5A's is useless as I do not have a primer collet for it. I did see photo of a 5A modified to use a Dillon powder measure. I'm thinking of trying to fit the Dillon powder measure to my machine as I have a line on a new primer collet.
Unless the machine comes with a bunch of spare primer collets, I would advise you to buy a Dillon SDB. The major difference between the MK5A and the older 5 is the fact that the MK5A has the primer magazine attached to the upper press head. As the press moves up a primer is dropped into a small (4 or 5) secondary reservoir of primers.
This design separates the stack of primers in the large magazine from the area that does the insertion. Supposedly safer. I for one, having run these presses for many years never did have any primer issues other than some few jams or failure to feeds. But that is not all too uncommon.
Lastly, the MK5A has a powder shut off slide that allows you to stop the drop of powder when tuning or adjusting. You can use small O rings to adjust the primer collet to drop correctly. I had a Mark IV CH press for several years and many thousands of rounds loaded. I was timed one time and loaded 1000 rounds of.44 ACP Match Quality reloads in just under an hour.
However, the primer system could explode (the whole stack was in line if a primer set off). I never had a problem, but a good friend had one go off - the primer tube went up through the floor in the kitchen (his loading room was in the basement).
Fortunately, his wife was in another room and no one got hurt. The Mark V had a dangerous primer system. I was competing at the Soldier of Fortune match in Columbia Missouri. I was really enthused about my Mark IV.
I had no knowledge that CH had changed the design of the machine and the Mark V was out. An Assistant State Prosecutor (another competitor) bought a Mark V after talking with me. The first time he used it, the primer system blew up and he suffered serious damage to a hand. The resulting law suit destroyed the CH company. Personally, I would again use the Mark IV but would NOT be interested in the Mark V.
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Just my opinion, but-t-t. I sold mine and bought a Dillon as the Dillon could load both rifle and pistol. The Dillon 550B is a 500 round per hour machine while the CH is a 1000 round per hour but is limited to pistol only, as has been stated above. With parts no longer available, I would pass on the CH. As others have stated, it takes a mechanic to keep a CH running properly.